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Tiger_Wilson
Beggs, OK
United States
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Posted: 04/15/07 at 12:08 PM

Probably been done somewhere here but haven't found it. So I'll ask again!


I used to believe whole heartedly in the Monogamous thing until I fell for another while still loving my wife. I felt really guilty about those feelings (I never cheated. so don't flame me on that!) until I told my wife and she was like yeah I know.....glad you have figured it out alllll onnn your little owwwwnnnn. She was Poly "familiar"" and we have since discussed opening up the relationship (SLOWLY!) but I was wondering how you all out there in Deviant land feel in relation to whether couples should be Monogamous or whether a more Poly or Ethical Sluthood suits you. And feel free to explain the "Why" you feel the way you do about it.


Tiger Wilson


"I've lost my quotes....where are my quotes"--Tiger Wilson


Raven
Oologah, OK
United States
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Posted: 04/15/07 at 01:36 PM

Since I'm feeling lazy today, I'm not gonna spend the hour it would take composing a response to this one. Instead, I'm just gonna cut and past the response I made on a friends MySpace journal not long ago. A good friend recently came to the conclusion rather late in life (she's in her late 40's now) that she is not only bi, but also poly. This was my response to her journal entry discolsing her discovery.
























"Sounds like you're making a real journey of self-discovery love. Most people seem to think that a person should have themselves figured out by the time they get to be our age, but it's never too late to make that trip and I don't think anyone EVER really figures themselves out completely. Not until you reach the grave anyway. And by that time, it's all a moot point.


In a way, it almost sounds like we're in much the same boat. For myself, I've never much questioned my sexuality. Very briefly experimented once and found out pretty quickly that I was strictly hetero (which is NOT to be confused with being homophobic or prejudiced against the gay community). However, for the last nearly a decade, I've really been questioning a lot of things in my own life. Why I can't seem to make a fucking relationship work. Why, no matter how wonderful the person is I'm with, I end up being so unhappy. I still don't have many answers... I suspect I never will. But after discussing it with a close friend of mine who helped start my journey into the fetish community, she mentioned that maybe some people just cannot be happy in a monogamous relationship. Not that I'm saying people should have a different sexual partner every night of the week. Too many people use this whole argument as a flimsy excuse just to go out and FUCK whoever they want. Never bothering to discuss this with their at the time partner who ends up with an emotional black eye after getting that polyamorous sucker punch line guys so often use. That is NOT what being polyamorous is about. To me, it's about needing more than one partner because some people simply cannot have all their needs met by a single person. And by needs, I mean spiritual, social and emotional needs... not just sexual. Their is a certain freedom that comes with this acceptance that maybe you just cannot be happy with a relationship that is defined by the preset standards of the generations that came before yours... a relationship seemingly defined by any and everyone but YOURSELF!!! Then again, there is also a certain sadness that comes with it. It's not always easy to find people that share these feelings and needs. And while it might not seem like it, I too still suffer the remnants of being haunted by the traditional dream of the wife, kids, house with a dog and a white picket fence. When you come to the point where you're forced to shatter those dreams with the realization that those dreams can never make you truly happy, panic can set in. What do you dream for now, now that all the dreams that you thought were your own are no longer valid?


And then comes the other emotional struggle. Am I really poly? Or am I just using this as a bullshit excuse. Am I just taking the easy way out and claiming to be poly cause it's easier than trying to make a monogamous relationship work? The problems with journeys of self discovery is that, for me at least, they raise more questions than answers. Questions, as I said before, I suspect I will never have answers to."






Edited by Raven on : 4/15/2007 1:36 PM

Brainless
Village Idiot
Pitman, NJ
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 07:05 AM
Morally, people can do whatever they want with that aspects of their lives as long as it's a mutual thing.

However, the mental stress that can be involved in poly relationships is usually beyond the scope of capability for most people. It requires a certain type of man to deeply love someone and have no problem that the other man in the relationship has a great cock that hits her is just the right spot. If you feel comfortable knowing that other people are giving your wife the high hard one, great.

I don't mind saying that, with men, the whole poly thing usually stems from mostly selfish reasons. I need new ass, I don't want to cheat, so let's test this open relationship out. That's not to say it's your particular case. Even moreso, what's to stop you from falling in love again, and again? Falling in love is easy, remarkably easy.

I'm an old fashioned guy, I don't even like it if my mistress has a boyfriend. The poly thing is different for each person, and it's up to you to decide what the motivations for you are, and can you handle the consequences of moving your marriage to that point. It is a perfect situation for some, but definitely not the majority of people who attempt it.

Mind you, I only address this from a male standpoint. I also only address it to the point of allowing a male into the relationship. After all, your wife should be allowed to have as many girlfriends as she wants. That's what I like to call a "win win".

Tiger_Wilson
Beggs, OK
United States
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 08:43 AM
Well in all actuallity there are more similarities to allowing male or female into her life than first meets the eye. At this time we aren't looking to have "fuck buddies" or even a large Poly-Fidelity type extended family. For her she has a female friend that has already been living in the Poly world for a very long time and she and my wife already have a very loving friendship that now might become more of a romantic one....And that in itself can be just as threatening as a 10 incher that hits just the right spot.....I can improve my performance in that area if need be but it can be harder to compete if you will with a romance. As for me the one I fell for is at this time and most likely for a very long time unavailable. What brought us to this point was the shattering of my once hel belief that if a man loves a woman he should not be in love with another woman other than the obvious physical attractions that are relatively easy to NOT respond to.

Jazz
Santa Cruz, CA
United States
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 11:02 AM
Funny, I was actually just interviewed by a really good friend for her thesis paper about this. Alright... get some snacks, this might take a minute.

So I'm not actually polyamorous by definition because I've never been emotionally interested in more than one person at a time. I've been told I'm a 'non traditional swinger'. But the stigmas that accompany the term 'bisexual swinger' kind of bother me. Mostly people call me 'weird', and I like that just fine. I've been weird as long as I can remember. I don't know when it first occurred to me that being sexually faithful to one person just wasn't my cup of tea. But even as I'm sitting here typing this, the thought of shutting off my options makes me a little upset. When a lot of people hear that a little bell goes off in their brains that says 'slut!'. But for my defense I'ld like to point out in the last year and a half I have only slept with my partner. Now you're saying 'What's the point then?'. Ok, that's more like it...

I believe that people will do what they want. Maybe we have enough self control to deny ourselves sometimes because laws or situations have dictated to us that what we want is wrong. But just because something is 'wrong' doesn't make you stop wanting it. Then you have to identify why it is wrong. Maybe that reason just doesn't apply to your belief system, or maybe the reason is out of date. Sometimes it's just nice to have a self check-in with your ethics and morals.

My top morals are as follows; honesty, respect, and tolerance. Those are the guidelines for how I live my life. I try to respect everyone and everything I encounter, I do my best to tolerate every situation I come across, and I try to exist as honestly as I can.

Well I love my partner very much. Since I love him shouldn't I treat him with the honesty, respect, and tolerance I was just talking about. I think so. So if I meet a cute girl and I get all hot and bothered, isn't it then my responsibility to be honest with myself and acknowledge that I might be interested in this person? Isn't it also my responsibility to respect my partner by honestly telling him my feelings whether or not I fool around with that girl? I think so. So then why not discuss the situation. Then if you've set up rules and boundaries that suit your needs, then why not indulge a little. Have some new experiences. Love yourself a little and use your opportunity to have fun and learn something new about yourself.

Every time I get involved in a serious relationship I throw down right away. I say, 'So I really like you and I want to be with you but I need to be able to sleep with other people, because that's who I am. Can was talk about this and figure out how to make this work for us?' Rules and communication are importaint though, and they're different for everyone. Likewise if I find someone I'm interested in they get the run down too, 'So I have a partner and I'm not going to stop loving them. And I don't love you, but I really like you and I'm interested in being physical with you so if you're interested we can talk about the rules me and my partner have and make this work.'

It just works for me. Me and my current partner have been togethor for 5 years and we still love each other very much. Actually having other partners even saved our relationship 2 years or so ago.

What can I say, I'm weird.


Edited by Jazz on : 4/16/2007 11:09 AM

Edited by Jazz on : 4/16/2007 11:09 AM

Tiger_Wilson
Beggs, OK
United States
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 11:35 AM

There was a time when I would have agreed with your assesment that you are "weird". But that time is not now


Regarding the following: and I only ask as my wife and I are trying to determine OUR boundaries and rules to start with, without any real experience.


"So if I meet a cute girl and I get all hot and bothered, isn't it then my responsibility to be honest with myself and acknowledge that I might be interested in this person? Isn't it also my responsibility to respect my partner by honestly telling him my feelings whether or not I fool around with that girl? I think so."


Do you talk first then fool around or vice versa? Feel no "requirement" to answer if this is too personal a question I understand.



Jazz
Santa Cruz, CA
United States
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 12:15 PM
Tiger_Wilson said:

There was a time when I would have agreed with your assesment that you are "weird". But that time is not now


Regarding the following: and I only ask as my wife and I are trying to determine OUR boundaries and rules to start with, without any real experience.


"So if I meet a cute girl and I get all hot and bothered, isn't it then my responsibility to be honest with myself and acknowledge that I might be interested in this person? Isn't it also my responsibility to respect my partner by honestly telling him my feelings whether or not I fool around with that girl? I think so."


Do you talk first then fool around or vice versa? Feel no "requirement" to answer if this is too personal a question I understand.



Egh I'm kinda an open book.

It goes both ways. We always talk after (though it's pretty casual and gossipy-- he is my best friend). If we know before then yeah we mention it, if it just kind of happens then oh well that's how it happened. We've set up a couple rules about people like: I won't sleep with a certain ex. He won't sleep with this stupid girl he works with.

Those are types of rules are pretty rare and come up because something weird happened. But that's the kind of thing you have to be ready for and a strong relationship can get through that. A lot of the rules you'll make are things you already do, like calling if it's late. I find that rules are more about keeping people informed and safe. Talk a lot. Figure out what would make you sad, mad, or grossed out and tell each other. And be willing to have a continous dialogue. If things go wrong try talk it out rather than get mad (honesty helps with that a lot, because usually your partner didn't even realize it was something upsetting.)

Some example rules:
Call if your not coming home, or if it'll be after 2:30am.
No sex in my bed, or using my towels, or clothes, etc.
Make sure the third person understands the situation.
Barrier sex only no exceptions.
and so on

kumquat
Richmond, BC
Canada
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 06:58 PM
i'm so monogamous.
i'm also a stodgy, somedays jealous prude.

i'm okay with it.
and so have past partners been.
'cause i'm open and honest about it.
and i'll be their little fucking whore.


GraveyardSally
Model
Las Vegas, NV
United States
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Posted: 04/16/07 at 07:37 PM

to each their own, i say.


in my own life, i am monogamous. my jealous streak is a mile wide so polyamoury would be a terrible thing for me.


Snow
Pittsburgh, PA
United States
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Joined:   Dec 18, 06
Posted: 04/17/07 at 06:52 PM
i agree- people can do what they want, so long as they are open and honest with themselves and their partner(s).

however!

i am an intensely monogamous creature.

i think monogamy is hot.
im in a serious mongamous relationship and couldnt be happier.

Locke
Model
Albany, NY
United States
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Posted: 04/18/07 at 05:57 AM
I've talked with a lot of polys and a lot of non-polys... And the more and more I learn about it, the more and more I think it might be like if you're gay or if you're straight. Just an idea.

My husband doesn't care if I sleep with anyone else as long as I'm honest and safe... but I'm never going to use that priveledge. It's not in my nature, and I really have zero desire to anyhow. And it's not like he wants me to so he can, he knows I'd never ever be ok with that, he just doesn't think it has any bearing on the relationship.

I can definitely see how people could be poly though, it makes perfect sense. Just like I can see how people can be totally straight, it makes perfect sense. I'm just different. And that's ok, because I found someone who knows, accepts, and likes that.

I think as long as you find someone who has the same goals as you, and wants the same things regarding mono or poly, and as long as you talk about it, there are no "should" or "shouldn't"s here, just what's right for the individual. Unless you're in a poly relationship and just don't wanna tell the other person what's really going on, lying is just lying.

Good luck with your newfound knowledge, I hope you two figure things out and find what's right with you without any major bumps in the road.

Arin
Model
Eugene, OR
United States
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Posted: 04/18/07 at 12:09 PM
People are free to do what they want. Personally I will never be in another monagmous relationship again, but I respect those who are.

Bathory
Bellaire, OH
United States
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Posted: 04/19/07 at 12:41 PM
I can't necessarily say I'm 100% monogamous because my boyfriend wants to watch me have sex with girls. I'm all for that. I'm completely against him joining in though. Even the thought of another woman pleasing my boyfriend makes me fume with jealousy and anger. It might not seem like a "fair" deal to some, but it's terms we both agreed on. I'll do it and he can watch, but he can't join.

I'm just way too possessive to allow another girl to "invade my territory" I guess. *shrug* I would never be polyamorous because I am completely satisfied with the sex in my relationship, and so is he. We both flirt with others, but it's harmless flirting that we take out on each other once we're home.


Beauvoir
Model
Edenbridge, G5
United Kingdom
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Posted: 04/23/07 at 05:10 AM
I think polyamory is a very good lifestyle choice but I do think it takes a special ability to see the bigger picture that in relationships sometimes escapes us... me included. Jealousy is a horrid thing, yet unavoidable.

The way I see it is if a person my husband met was important to him and would improve his life, and give him valuable experiences then just because I "saw him first" doesn't mean I have the right to deny him of important relationships - life is too short for that in my view. Honesty would be very important though.

Saying that, whilst we are both open to the concept of polyamory we aren't actually practicing. I think it is quite likely we will at some point, but where do poly people find the time? Seeing the hubby, friends and family leaves me with little enough time to spend on my own as it is!

Kara
Lovettsville, VA
United States
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Posted: 04/23/07 at 12:40 PM

When I was younger the thought of poly turned my stomach and made me think everyone who did these things were just sleazy people


Now I'd like to think my mind opened and I'm not such a jerk.


I think it is ridiculous to believe that all your emotional and physical needs can be met by one person. We all know that emotional needs are shared with our significant others, friends, family etc. However, we just can't seem to wrap our minds around the idea that our physical needs for closeness, intimacy, and sexuality can and should fall into this same category.


I admit that I can't be everything to my husband and it is cruel of me to think he can be everything in every-way to me. Those are some high damn standards for anyone.


Sometimes I just wanna be touched or held, sometimes I wanna talk, sometimes I just want to be in each others company, sometimes I want understanding about something my primary just doesn't get. Those are all levels of intimacy and loving and in my opinion all about what polyamory is.


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